U.F.O.'s

and Aliens

60's Eltham, London.

I have never feared UFO's, I do believe that if we are visited it will be of a friendly nature and not one of a 'war of the worlds' scenario. 

This is a personal sighting that happened in Eltham in the 1960's


Whether it was a UFO or not I guess I will never know for sure, it was a long time ago now, a distant memory but still quite a vivid one, one of those memories that bugs you for the rest of your life because you don't know the answer to it.


I cant give an exact time, exact day, or even the exact year, so tracing records is hard to say the least, yet I have talked to one other person who remembered that night back in the 60's, and he was just as curious about it as I am.

 

Through deduction, I estimated it must of been sometime between the time I first started school in 1963 /1964 and the time we emigrated to Australia in August 1968. It was most possibly around 1966 as I changed schools to one in Dartford around that time, yet I did briefly go back there just before we emigrated. I also think that it may have been around Christmas because I remember it happened as I left school late when it was dark, so maybe it was after a school concert.

Location:

Haimo Road,

Eltham, London, SE9

Aerial view of the School.

Haimo Road is the road in centre running vertically

I remember being picked up from outside the school gates by my parents, it was dark and I remember that my Mum was off to see a show in London and my Dad being eager to be off to get her up there on time. My parents can't remember what show it was, otherwise I could have narrowed the time down more than I presently can. But 'Hello Dolly' seems to be stuck in my mind for some reason, and researching the dates on this I now know that the show staring Mary Martin first started showing in the Theatre Royal in Drury Lane on the 2nd of December 1965 which seems to fit in well with what I remember.

 

I remember leaving the school by the entrance beside the old boiler room and crossing the lower playground up into the upper playground. There used to be an old milk wagon located against the caretakers house opposite the infants hall,  and it was at this entrance that I was to meet my Dad who had parked the Mini Traveller just up the road from the school gate.


As I walked out to the gate everybody was gasping and looking upwards.

 

Passing very slowly overhead was a very large tube like object, cylindrical like a kitchen roll tube or Pringles carton, very dark uneven sides with what appeared to be flat ends. It passed almost silently overhead, no jet engine noise, no throbbing of an engine or sound of a propeller, just a faint whine not un-similar to that caused by the spinning tops we had as children, that we would pump up to speed using the ratchet handle and which then would whine as the air was pushed over the holes that were in the side of the metal rim.

 

I say it passed very slowly, actually it appeared unnaturally slow, it was travelling at the walking pace of a small child like myself, maybe even slower, as if floating and just drifting overhead. I can remember that the air was alive with static electricity, my short 'Crew-Cut' hair was tingling like it did when I rubbed a balloon on it before sticking the balloon to a wall, and it seemed that low that you felt you could almost reach up and touch it .


Things always seem larger as a child, but to me this was bigger than anything I have ever seen in the air, appearing to stretch maybe 20 or more houses in length, maybe 2 to 3 houses high, and at a height of just about 2 to 3 houses above the school. It was the unbelievable size that made us gasp more than what we thought could be, at that age we were not thinking of an invasion from Mars or little green men, and UFO's were not even in our minds, to be honest I don't think we even knew what a UFO was. I don't know what was running through the minds of the adults present, but I guess they did not want to transfer any fear over to us children. 

Many years ago when computers were very basic, I tried to reproduce what I saw in a computer drawing.

Red box showing overall size and area of view taken up by craft

At no time was I frightened or fearful for safety

The only sensations where that of intrigue and disbelief at the sheer size, and the 'static electricity' felt at the time.

The direction of travel would have been heading south south west towards Downham / Beckenham as it passed over the school itself and headed towards the City. I remember seeing many people walking to the end of the road near the shops to get a better view than we had of it from the narrow street and over the rooftops, and then watch it all pass as it seemed to run parralel to the Westhorne Avenue.

 

It had no visible markings, no visible navigation lights showing, or even windows, yet from around what appeared to be squarish shaped panels there was a faint flickering as if it was somehow internally lit, or as if it was on fire inside, a bit like the glowing embers of a thick log burning in the fire. obvious light, but not a shining light. As far as I saw there was no glow from the rear as if it was a rocket, at any rate it was travelling far too slow to be a rocket, missile or meteor.

 

I know that back around that time in the 60's an Airship was being used over London, they were used to film things such as the football, and large events such as Trouping of the Colour and Lord Mayor's Show, but even if it was 1966 and ready for the world cup match, which I very much doubt as I think it was more likely in December, I knew what an airship looked like, even at night, and this was definitely not an airship!


I have seen the size of the Goodyear Airship and it far far exceeded that, there would need to be 5, 6 or even more airships all tied and fused together end to end to be anywhere near approaching that length.

 

The sides appeared solid, possibly metallic, I couldn't see it being anything else, solid dark and very uneven, a bit like the trunk of a tree. And it had what looked like corrugated pipes or tubes with bulges in them that ran down the side. There were no wings or stabilising fins, and definitely no baskets or gondola's hanging below.


I remember watching this massive shape from the rear windows of the car as we drove off and up into the City to the Theatre, still aware of its presence up in the sky many miles after we left the scene.

 

 Many people saw it at the time and I remember it being the talk of all the school children, and the neighbourhood for many weeks after. People did take pictures, I seem to remember seeing someone with a camera, kneeling and changing angles as if trying to get the colossal size of the 'ship?' into the camera viewer, but I never saw any photograph of this ship or whatever it was we saw after that day. I guess the old 'Brownie 127' camera of the day was not that good at taking night time pictures.

 

I also remember that it was mentioned on the TV news at the time, I don't remember any pictures or film, but the story was calmly described (no doubt by the BBC back then) or should I say it was 'excused' as "Falling Space Debris".


I have spent many years trying to find out more about this event, trying to trace others who saw the incident, and trying to find any records, news reports or photographs. But in all the photographs of 'U.F.O's' that were available in books, magazines or later on the internet, none seemed to match or even closely resemble what I saw that night.

UNTIL NOW !

I recently came across these photographs, whose similarities to what i saw sent a massive shiver down my spine.
Although not in the UK, and photographed during daylight, it was believed to have been roughly around the same time as my UK sighting. I only saw the one craft, one that was much wider and darker than those depicted in the first two photographs, more like those in images 3 & 4 below.

"Falling Space Debris" ?

Two queries immediately come to mind about this statement:-

1). Falling :-

 To me 'Falling' means that it moves in a downward direction, drawn down by gravity.

Now even giving it a very gentle entry trajectory, it would still be getting lower and lower, and I also would imagine that this would happen with quite some speed. This object was doing neither, it was as slow as a tortoise, visible for some considerable time and over miles as it appeared to just slowly drift over the houses, it was neither increasing or decreasing in height.  Definitely not falling!

If it was 'Falling' as they say, then surely it would have then crashed somewhere in the local vicinity ?.

 

 

 2). Space Debris :-

Now I have never seen an Apollo or Saturn rocket up close, so I can not judge its size in correlation to what I saw, although from what I have seen on television and in photographs, I do not believe an Apollo rocket to be anywhere near as thick in width. I also believe that when our rockets launched they break down into smaller sections (Separation) as the fuel is burnt away, and that these parts either burn up on re-entry or just sta up in space and float around as 'space junk'.

If this was the lower section of a rocket then why did it have some form of lighting inside?

Why was it not burning up?

Why did it not have markings on it e.g.. 'Apollo'? or the American flag?

How come it was making a low whining noise?

Why did it not crash into the school at a high rate of knots, instead of drifting across the top of it like a cloud?

How much and where exactly did this 'Debris' fall to earth?

 

Unfortunately I expect we will never know exactly what it was, but it would be interesting to read any other reports of the same incident, and definitely to see any photographs that were taken that night.

 

What do you think it was ?

There was another incident I witnessed in the same area around 20 years later

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